Justin Tranter: ‘Being an artist sucks. I’m just going to be honest…’

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“I’m one of the weirder people in pop music – personally and creatively…”

Five years ago, Justin Tranter’s music career was dangling by a thread.

Despite the praise and patronage of Lady Gaga, it was becoming clear that his glam-punk band, Semi-Precious Weapons, just weren’t destined for the big time.

The group were signed to labels no less than four times in their short career (including Razor & Tie and Interscope/Geffen) – and dropped by them all.

According to Tranter, the latest guest of the MBW Podcast (supported by SoundExchange), this deflating experience was made infinitely worse by some shameful industry attitudes.

“There was a person in our team that was so difficult, and so heartbreaking,” he reveals. “I was getting phone calls at least once a week [being told]: ‘Alternative radio is even more homophobic than pop: you need to be less gay. You just posted a photo of you and Adam Lambert and you look more feminine than him – we can’t have that.'”

Depressingly, he says, this kind of exchange was far from a one-off – a fact which has cemented his certainty that “the world still isn’t ready for a big, loud, gay pop star”.


In 2012, however, everything changed.

Tranter was re-signed by publisher Warner/Chappell as a songwriter-for-hire, and immediately felt a lift from the belief shown in him by Katie Vinten – now W/C’s Co-Head of A&R in Los Angeles.

Before long, he was writing and collaborating with the likes of Nicole Scherzinger and Fall Out Boy, while forming a blossoming songwriting partnership with Julia Michaels – who is now widely tipped as one of the breakout artists of 2017.

Since then, Tranter (regularly alongside Michaels) has written standout tracks with/for the likes of Selena Gomez, Fifth Harmony, John Legend, Gwen Stefani and many more.

“I was getting phone calls at least once a week [being told]: ‘you need to be less gay.'”

Justin Tranter

Most notably, he co-wrote both DNCE’s global smash Cake By The Ocean – currently on the brink of 500m Spotify spins – and Justin Bieber’s Sorry, which was Vevo’s biggest music video of last year with more than 1.8bn plays.

“Once Katie came into my life, I saw that there is hope – and there are people in this business who actually do their f*cking jobs,” says Tranter, also crediting the likes of Aaron Bay-Shuck (Interscope Geffen A&M) and Wendy Goldstein (Republic) as “people who do believe in music – people who actually care”.


Tranter says his rotten experiences as an artist have helped him appreciate the upsides of being a behind-the-scenes creative.

“The process of being an artist is pretty brutal,” he explains. “Being an artist sucks – I’m just going to be honest. Performing is amazing; touring is horrible.

“There’s not one singer who enjoys touring because voices aren’t meant for it. It’s like asking a marathon runner to run a marathon six days a week.

“People tear you apart; they ask you the same four questions 27 times a day. It’s not fun. It’s a young person’s game.”

That may be true, but we all know there’s one big upside of being Justin Bieber, rather than Justin Tranter: the payday.

Tranter may have co-created some of the biggest streaming hits of the past few years, but he knows better than anyone that songwriters’ recompense pales in comparison to that handed to other sectors of the industry.

“The process of being an artist is pretty brutal. Performing is amazing; touring is horrible.”

Justin Tranter

How does he feel about the cash Spotify sends his way?

“Placing the blame on Spotify entirely is wrong,” he replies. “The labels have deals with Spotify and they’re allowed to hide those deals – we don’t know how much any of them are making.

“I think Spotify is brilliant and the future of music. What it provides for the listener is unbelievable, and what it provides for the artist in the basement of their mum’s house in southern Illinois is amazing. Finally someone was smart enough to figure out how to use the internet to the benefit of the music business, not to hinder it.”

He adds: “A lot [of the] music business is making a sh*t ton of money off Spotify. Everyone needs to get together, put their foot down and be nice – and make sure the money gets to the songwriters.

“My life is amazing. All I ever wanted to do was buy a house and be able to take my friends to dinner. I don’t need an obscene amount of money.

“However, someone in an office shouldn’t be making that money instead of me…”


With sophisticated pop-leaning tracks now dominating streaming playlists, we can expect to see more mega-hits coming from Tranter’s mind as 2017 unfurls.

But, he says, especially in Trump’s America, he feels his purpose in the music business now extends far beyond the charts.

“I know a lot of people who stay in the closet [in music],” he says. “In an artistic business, for people to stay in the closet is really sad.”

“Clearly this business is shockingly homophobic and misogynistic and still somewhat racist.”

Justin Tranter

He adds: “Of course there are amazing straight, white male songwriters. But overall, if you look at the ones who have really left a huge mark – besides Max Martin, but he’s Swedish so it doesn’t count, because they’re just a more enlightened people – whether it’s Carole King, or Diane Warren (pictured), or Desmond Child, or Linda Perry, or Julia Michaels, The-Dream… it’s women, it’s gay men and it’s [people] of color.

“So I think, clearly this business is shockingly homophobic and misogynistic and still somewhat racist; because if I were an executive, I would look at the history of the business – the songwriters who really f*cked sh*t up in a good way – and be like: ‘Wait a minute. They’re all women, or black or gay. Every session should have one of those in there.’

“When you see most sessions are just a bunch of white, straight dudes, you realize, wow, this industry still has a long way to go…”


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  • Fubar2

    Sorry. He’s talking out of his spoilt, white middle class arse. He contradicts himself so many times. Dont like the way the industry works? Get out and do something else instead of whining about how hard you have it.

  • Sherry

    Interesting article. the US is still homophobic when it comes to gay artists and it doesn’t matter how talented they are. I keep seeing comments asking why isn’t Adam Lambert getting the recognition he deserves? He does but not in the US we still have major problems here. Just look who was elected President. 63M idiots voted for this guy.

  • LA Curmudgeon

    Freddie Mercury? Rob Halford? George Michael? Clay Aiken? Lance Bass? Boy George? Ricky Martin? Mika? Liberace? Bob Mould? Rufus Wainwright? Troye Sivan?
    F**kin’ whiner.

    • Melanie Wason

      dude pretty sure more than half those guys are gay which is exactly what the article mentions: “it’s women, it’s gay men and it’s [people] of color.”

      • There are all male gays in @lacurmudgeon:disqus list, not half. You didn’t get his (her) point.

      • David Burgess

        Melanie, they are all gay. I think Curmudgeon was responding to the comment: “…a fact which has cemented his certainty that “the world still isn’t ready for a big, loud, gay pop star” ”

        Seemed pretty whiny to me too.

    • Holly McCormack

      Granted, many of these gay performers didn’t come out until much later in their careers, when they had broken through already. Things are getting better, but there is still a long way to go.

  • daas

    I need the song that he wrote with Gaga in my life

  • Måns Payne

    We need the original #LG5 Lady Gaga, Joanne era sucks and now you are so basic.

  • Girl-songwriters turn from “I just want to write for others” to “I can’t give that song away, I will be a singer” in a year. Also male songwriters learn how to record and produce songs they wrote, it’s important for bosses — it saves time for song production, while girls mostly not interested in studio rat work. Female producers? Linda Perry and Laleh? Are they sell?

    Does he understand that any “Every session should have ***, or ***, or *** in there” is discrimination?

    • Todd Morty Waxman Perry II

      interesting perspective

      • Todd Morty Waxman Perry II

        I think he means “diversify sessions”

        • Credit lists of the chart-toppers songs have the same teams all the time. Mostly they are friends/acquaintances that have met on parties (I’m talking based on the interviews, maybe they are lying).
          So the key to success in sessions is to be communicative friendly person who can work in team and turn off the ego.

          I can’t imagine record-label ceo comes and says: This black gay woman you never met before will be writing a hit song with you today.